QUESTIONS ON HISTORY OF ET

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From: <dibbley_dwane@hotmail.com>
                 people talking about Uyghurs must always be aware that almost each modern Nations  designation is  representing only one particular people of many who became part of the ethnogenesis of a people in the course of the History. Thus we call the Chinese by the name of only one of many "Ethnos" who played a role in "Chinese" history. In other cases we even call a particular people  by different names. In case of my people the US americans call us "Germans", whats going back to a Celts designation for one tribe whose own name was "Tongrer". Some Slavic peoples call us "Swabes" what is the name of only one of our peoples. The whole Latin speaking Europeans call us "Aleman",  what was just another tribe. Our own designation is "Deutsch" what definitely is a Celtic name. Uyghur is our designation for the peoples of Uyghuristan, and we always are aware that only a part of contemporary Uyghurs can be regarded as "pure" descendants of a people which once ruled Mongolia. Tocharians, Ärya, Saka,
Basmil, Karakhanids, and many other  peoples, who all became part of the modern Uyghur Nation, are -theoretically- legal designations for the Uyghur people.  No matter how we call them, todays Uyghurs must be regarded as the indigenous people  of Uyghuristan. A people with a long and amazing History of
more than 4.000 years, which started with the  arrival of representatives of the proto-European  race, a people very similar to the ancient peoples of Russia and Northern Europe. Somewhat later typical representatives of -at least two- branches of the gracile and darker complexed Mediterrean Subbranch of the greater Europoid race  appeared in the South and West, and in the eastern regions very unique representatives of a "proto-Tibetian" race mixed with the proto-Europeans. Note that
this dolichocephal race with narrow faces, very high orbits and very pronounced cheekbones had racially and culturally nothing to do with the Chinese  of past and presence. In the iron age -probably much earlier- the ancient Hu-Chieh, who also are known as Kao-ch'e, settled to the North of the peoples of Uyghuristan. About Hu-Chieh the ancient Chinese
sources say that they were from a Dinlin origin. To the North of Hu-Chieh settled the Dinlin (T'ieh-lê)  Turks, Oshanin called them "the legendary blond race of Centralasia". Even more northernly settled another race of "red haired and green eyed Barbarians" known as the ancient  Hja-g'ja-sz Turks, who also are known as Chien-Kun, and  ourscholarsdesignation is "Yennisey Kirkiz", who became the most important enemy of the Hu-Chieh/Kao-ch'e in the days Hu-Chieh ruled over all of Mongoli and already was known to usasUyghur.ThisHu-Chieh/Kao-ch'e we -from now on-  designate as "historical Uyghurs" were originally  
an Southern Altaic people, who may have had originated in the vast region from Hovd to Semipalatinsk. This means that they originated from a region which included  large parts of Djungaria, which was, is and -so we hope- forever will be part of Uyghuristan.
Iron ties always connected the peoples of  the Northern Oasis cities and the Altaics. Therefore Hsiung-Nu Batur Tangriqut attacked also Hu-Chieh when  
conquering the Yueh-chi. Its written that  Hu-chieh/Uyghur  of the 175 B.C. had been  "under the control of the Yueh-chi up to that time" (History of early civilizations of
Centralasia. Vol. 2, p.175). Somewhat later Hsiung-Nu Chih-chih attacked the ancient Turpanliks before he finally did what was the original reason of his mission:  
attacking Hu-chieh/Uyghur to the North of the ancient Turpanliks These ancient ties making clear why the conquest of the Turpan region by the "historical Uyghurs" was so peaceful: "Literature kept alive its former intellectually a ctivity" the "Buddhist and Nestorian" character of the "old Tocharian country" (Grousset) left untouched, and agriculture,  
what still is the main profession of the Turpanliks, was improved.  The "historical Uyghurs" neither killed the "Tocharians" nor driven them out of Uyghuristan. The result of the historical Uyghur "conquest" was, that the people of the Northern Oasis cities and the "historical Uyghurs" just melting together to become one part of the modern Uyghur Nation.
-E- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: "Dwane Dibbley" An: uighur-l@taklamakan.org
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Januar 2001 23:58 Betreff: uighur-l Who are the Uighurs ?
 From: "Dwane Dibbley" dibbley_dwane@hotmail.com
 Is Xinjiang the mother or fatherland of the Uighur people ? Isn't Mongolia the true ancestral homeland of Uighurs, but they were
chased  out in the ninth century ? Also, what happened to the Zungars ? Were they absorbed into what is now  called Uighur ? What former peoples make up what is called the Uighur
people ?   The history does not cover very much in recent times.  Can anyone answer my questions ?
 Duane D.
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